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Again here we have an issue. The original idea put forward is that only national have the bank account and do that majority of spending for the groups in terms of purchasing campaigning packs. So for example the cost price of tshirts is £5, so if that is what we are selling them for at stalls the edinburgh group have no money because this is transferred directly to national. We were supplied with materials in May, but the cash raised on these needs to paid back to national. If the national group decide to continue this policy, then we could, at branch level, find ourselves in the same position that Steve is worried about happening at National, in that we have a hastily constructed constitution that does not fit the situation and is difficult to change.
I also recall that at the point when I started explaining the whole situation with the finances, rather that listen you were expecting an explanation of finances that were not within the purview of Edinburgh branch. Further more on trying to explain about cash spend for the group but not being reclaimed I was told “we already know this”.
Some of the points you are raising are what this meeting is supposed to address. Until we have something, even in draft form, we cannot have a group bank account, or start the SCIO process. On top of that right now the only person who is responsible/liable for the group’s actions is Math, with no requirement to be democratic, which is what we are trying to resolve. There has been some discussion with individuals as to what should constitute membership, but this needs to be discussed more thoroughly (I personally don’t think following a Facebook group should constitute membership, and there are a few other ways we could measure this, but other people will have a different view).
I would also say we can’t really start constitution discussions at branch level whist stalling the start of the process for national. If we are going to insist that the national meeting be postponed until the new year then the constitution should be taken off the branch agenda for the next meeting.
In terms of some of the points being raised. We would need to have at the very least a draft constitution in place in order to start the SCIO process. SCVO is not the organisation that oversees these. You would need to look at the OSCR is the site you should be looking at to get the registration and governance. As there are very strong signals that indyref2 is likely to be late next year this is something that we should stop sitting on. It’s also unfair to start stalling the process now when we have been chasing to get this progressed.
I should point out that most of the agenda at the last meeting wasn’t completed because someone was insistent that we:
a) report on Catalonia,
b) spend time having to justify why National organisation asked if we had cash to pay expenses for Catalonia trip as the crowdfunding monies hadn’t at that time been received, which was to be offset from the £300 the Edinburgh owe National for the campaign pack, and
c) discussion why National was taking so long getting a constitution together.
I think given the impatience to have a constitution finalised it is incumbent to have the AGM asap to that we can start on the SCIO process.
- This reply was modified 2 years, 4 months ago by Jan Goulding.
It would seem sensible. Saves having to organise meetings on two separate days.
You haven’t said when you want to have the meeting. Paul and I will be away over Christmas and although we haven’t finalised travel plans it’s unlikely we’ll be around after the 20th Dec and we already have something planned for the 18th.
We’ve got limited time in the week before that (11th – 17th Dec) as we have both SNP branch and CA meetings that week. There is also the ESFY Edinburgh Branch Meeting on the 12th (Tuesday) which puts a lot of the east coast activists together so I suppose we could accommodate the AGM before that if the west coast peeps can get across to the Edinburgh Hub. We have a bit of availability before that but I suppose that would be at too short notice for organising anything.
Let me know what you decide.